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Re: Argentine president gambles on tech taxes, faces tough crowd

Guido — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:26:42 -0000

We're fucked up, don't put a single coin in Argentina, it's just useless.

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Martin — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:19:26 -0000

We're fucked! We have a useless president and she has no idea how to handle a country. Me quiero ir de Argentinaaaaa!!!!! trabajo en telecomunicaciones y acepto vivir en cualquier otro pais! :)

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Migue — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:54:54 -0000

This woman knows how to get hated really...

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Jorge George — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:42:02 -0000

Thanks for your post on this subject. I think that it's ridiculous to increase the price of the products that aren't even built in my country, it just makes no sense. Tomorrow we'll see if our voice was heard.
Thanks again.

Re: Argentine president gambles on tech taxes, faces tough crowd

rogermax — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:47:28 -0000

The raising of taxes levied on technology widens the digital gap between those who have more and those who have less.

Last week the Argentine Chamber of Deputies (the lower house of the bicameral legislature) passed a bill which increases internal taxes along with value added tax to a series of technology products, including (but not limited to) computers and mobile phones.

In the next few days this bill will be subject to revision by the Senate where an approval would turn it into law. After being enacted, the final price on these goods will be finally placed out of reach of most of the population in Argentina.

We feel that the only way to progress and improvement is through more and better education. In this sense, the lack of access to technology means running the risk of exponentially increasing the number of digital illiterates, to whom "later" might be too late in a world where this skill means competitive advantage.

As bloggers and otherwise users of every single item affected by this bill, but first and foremost, as citizens, we cannot stand still and in silence. That is why we feel it is crucial to explain and illustrate why this is so important to our government, and the population as a whole. This tax will hold back growth, our integration into the global community and most important will lead future generations to see technology as a luxury and not a right.

It was our idea to show how things would be, if we went back 10, 20 or 30 years back in time. Pictures that show not only the amazing progress done in the last three decades but also a clear image of how important it is not to fall behind, but move along as a society head to head with the rest of the world.

www.noalimpuestazo.com

Re: Argentine president gambles on tech taxes, faces tough crowd

Nelson Javier Chavez — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:09:20 -0000

This bitch is destroying our country step by step, i dont know how can ANYONE be so USELESS managing a country, thanks for the article, let the voice be heard !!!!!!!

Re: Argentine president gambles on tech taxes, faces tough crowd

Juan — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:21:40 -0000

Total agree with Lucas, nothing else to say
There is people who dies of dengue and teh president still sit in his fukin chair and buying bags.

PARA JONATAN:

Vos por quien votaste en als ultimas elecciones?
Crees que la argentina anda tan bien como lo dice en INDEC o otras org del Estado?
Estamos en un pais con cada dia mas pobreza, robos, enfermedades como el degue pero el goierno no hace NADA, vos crees q este impuesto va a salvar al pais?
Segun la presidenta las nuevas fabricas en Tierra del Fuego van a aportar 2000 puestos labolares, sabes cuantos van a tener que cerrar sus negocios por la incapacidad de comprar mercaderia extranjera? o vos crees que las computadoras se empezaran a fabricar despues de 2 diaas de la aprobacion de la ley?
Te lo digo por experiencia, aca en la linea sur hay getne que muere congelados por las temperaturas bajo cero o vive en casas ehchas con carton, palos y chapa en el medio del desierto, te parece eso justo a vos? Critina o el gob ahce algo pro ellos?
Crees que esta propuesta ayuda al pais pero la verdad que hay temas MUCHO mas importantes que arreglar, como salvar las vidas de las miles de personas que viven en condiciones mucho peores de las que te podes imaginar.

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Lucas — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:05:02 -0000

You speak no sense. First of all.. this would be posible if there was a strong industry to replace all the imports of thse goods. By placing this taxes lots of comerce will close cause they wont be able to sell at the same rate cell phones, pc parts, etc,etc.

If this bill is applied it will take like 3/5 years (in argentina mabye 50 years) until "real" industries start porducing goods to replace.

Besides with the new Gas and electricity "fines" (400% raise) it is already hard to pay for basic service.

So, dont come and defend a president who was voted by the poor because all the money goes to "social plans" which goverment trades for "support" and to gain votes.
This goverment is a lie and it is bringin the country into disgrace.
Energy crisis decalred like 8 years ago and still no even 1 dolar invested to improve this situtaion.. as consecuence.. 8 years of raise in Electricy and gas billas + fines to those who excede the maximum they decide.

So, Jonatan.. please.. do not defend whats imposible to defend.. everyone knows that her goverment is pure bullshit.

Re: Argentine president gambles on tech taxes, faces tough crowd

jonatan — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:30:26 -0000

The president is absolutely right. is trying to strengthen the national economy and make it independent of imports.
imports were not lost money, the only way to manipulate the market within a democracy are taxes, and whether the imported cell will be more expensive, the domestic production will be even cheaper than now. I think the excellent proposal.

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Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:12:16 -0000

This bill is a disgrace. Luckily, I don't think it will be passed.

If anything, the "success story" of Tierra del Fuego should be an incentive for more tax breaks in other provinces of the country, not for further tax hikes!

Still, I'd like to point out that Argentina's cellphone penetration (99.8%) and internet penetration (~50%) rates are on the same level as European countries like Italy or France, so while considerably expensive, technology is still not as much of a luxury as the article (or the government) would seem to imply.

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un argentino mas — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:10:24 -0000

"AFANARTE" es sinonimo de "ROBARTE" (stealing you) la presidenta kirchner es muy odiada por todo lo que esta haciendo con el pais! she is a very bad president, she travel for all countries... while the peapole have'nt food.

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Steve Mawson — Wed, 27 May 2009 20:39:39 -0000

How beautiful and HOW appropriate ! The government of Cristina is FARTING all over the country and the people, robbing us all blind whilst pretending to be interested in "Argentinas, Argentinos, amigas, amigos," while being more interested in brown nosing Hugo Chavez's rear end when not shopping for new handbags and matching smoks. What a shame for a country that had / has SO MUCH PROMISE.

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GB — Wed, 27 May 2009 17:26:59 -0000

The capital of Tierra del Fuego is Ushuaia. See http://es.wikipedia.org/wik...

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Emanuel Cisterna — Wed, 27 May 2009 17:11:21 -0000

Actually, the capital of Tierra del Fuego province is Rio Grande, where the electronics factories are located... Ushuaia is just a touristic city.
Thanks for giving space to this matter in your blog.
Best regards.

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Fabian Schonholz — Wed, 27 May 2009 12:27:20 -0000

If you looked at this as a carrot and stick; there is no carrot, it is all stick. That has historically been the problem with Argentina, along with a unitarian government ideology around Buenos Aires and the Federal Capital and institutionalized corruption.

No kidding, such a rich country being so poor.

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GB — Wed, 27 May 2009 10:43:41 -0000

It is important to note that the bill now in Congress will apply an excise tax to IT products, and considers them "luxury items."

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Vinod Sreeharsha — Wed, 27 May 2009 10:42:12 -0000

thanks for the comments. Rod, no joke on AFARTE. its real. P Moehring, good points. not sure when you were here, but in the past few years living expenditures have also risen for argentines. not as bad as the country's storied hyperinflation of the past, but enough to have a real impact on people's lives, across all classes. and many economists and most citizens think the government here has been under-reporting inflation. that makes it tougher for people starting companies here to forecast their costs. that being said, many argentines continue to start companies here and do quite well as they are quite accustomed to quixotic government behavior and figuring out how to survive it. in fact this week, there is an entrepreneurship conference in buenos aires that i am sure will be well-attended.

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Mukombo — Wed, 27 May 2009 10:08:31 -0000

It would be if the name was "AFANARTE", with an N, which would mean, "stealing you"...

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Mukombo — Wed, 27 May 2009 10:05:56 -0000

Reading this story you can understand better why such a rich country is in fact so poor...

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Wed, 27 May 2009 09:41:23 -0000

Thanks for the article. It helps more than you think

And your source is right, “This bill will never be approved. Forget it,” ;)

Re: Argentine president gambles on tech taxes, faces tough crowd

Rod Quigley — Wed, 27 May 2009 08:12:33 -0000

"AFARTE"... is this a belated April fools joke?

Re: Argentine president gambles on tech taxes, faces tough crowd

P. Moehring — Wed, 27 May 2009 07:49:22 -0000

Already today, imported tech products like computers and digital cameras are prohibitively expensive in Argentina. When I lived in Argentina, the prices for electronics were higher than back home in europe, while basic living expenditures were roughly a fourth - corresponding with local income. An additional tax on foreign tech products would arguably worsen the situation both for companies in the tech business (other than the producers based in TDF) and (probably much more so) for private consumers who already have a hard time affording computers and the like. Don't let me start on education, as universities and schools can hardly afford upgrading their labs already. I can understand why Argentines oppose it heavily.