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VentureBeat: Charles River Ventures introduces friendly “convertible” seed round

  • Mike Dolbec · 3 years ago
    This sounds like a very standard seed deal that they are marketing as a new kind of financial tool. Clever marketing but not as unique you portray.
  • Matt Marshall · 3 years ago
    Mike, I agree that many individual VCs do this, but not officially firm-wide. The point is that CRV has made this entrepreneur-friendly investment official policy, right there on its web site. Many firms have shied away from such explicit statements, because some of them would -- presumably -- like to be able to get away with more. I think this is a real sign of change in the industry.
  • Bill Tai · 3 years ago
    Hi Mike (Dolbec) -- While it's correct that seed bridge 'structures'- as one off instruments have been around for a long time, I can't think of another firm that is building this in a formal part of their portfolio and process. What we recognized here at CRV is 1) as a group, this is the stage that best fits our culture - we have the most FUN when we work with a handful or people with passion and an idea at the very start, 2) that it's already the reality of our business given that we have been doing so many of these anyway, and 3) that our capital size is appropriate for this as a formal strategy. It would have been impossibe to execute this (especially the 'having FUN' part) formally had we stayed at $1.2 B per fund...
  • Brian McConnell · 3 years ago
    Bill,

    I welcome what you are doing. I raised a small amount of angel funding for my current gig (see link). It wasn't easy, and while the terms were OK, we spent too much time chasing a small amount of money.

    We recently had to walk away from another angel, as painful as it was. I won't go into details, but one thing I've learned if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't, and that you have to be very picky both with hires and with whose money you accept.

    So I think a source of no-hassle institutional angel funding would be a great thing for entrepreneurs, as it will enable them to rapidly prototype products without getting involved in complicated entanglements too early on.
  • FundingPost · 3 years ago
    I think it's very smart. At FundingPost, we are seeing more and more companies raising less money to get started and there is a HUGE void left by the VCs in this area. While there are new Angel Groups popping up every day, seed VC is tough to find! It makes a lot of sense that the fund size is only $250M - down from $1.2B. That would be a lot of $250K deals to manage :)
  • Vaibhav Domkundwar - Better La · 3 years ago
    This is awesome news, and honestly something very much inline with the requirements of the entreprenuers today.

    Now that more funds are opening up to smaller seed funding idea, the other part of the equation is really about making that money last longer, develop the initial product/service version with a smaller burn and test and evolve it slowly.

    @Brian: I have atleast 2 founders in the same stage where they feel they are spending way too much time on raising a tiny angel round.

    @Bill, @Mike: I think VCs with a formal seed model will help the situation Brain is talking about as QuickStart kind of models will likely be more risk-friendly than a group of angles, which can save everyone a lot of cycles.

    At Better Labs (http://www.betterlabs.net), we have just started to open up our model to work with early stage startups in the Valley to deliver their alpha, beta and 1.0 versions which allows the founding team to run faster and more economically, as they evolve their service with user feedback. Look out for iLetYou (http://www.iletyou.com - the first one of our startup partners) going into Private Beta in the next few days. This fits right into founder who raise between $200k and $500K as we can work with them on a 18 month plan.
  • Daniel · 3 years ago
    It reminds me microcredit concept.
  • Edward Miller · 3 years ago
    EXCELLENT IDEA! Sounds easier than trying to find 10 angels.
  • Rohit Chandra · 3 years ago
    I am building a Web2.0 Killer App, that we KNOW will take off like a rocket!

    While I would have liked to have raised outside money; and get more people involved; I ended up self-funding it because I did not want to expose the idea to other Angel groups. At the same time I don't want to get money from people that I know who do not understand the Consumer Internet space.

    Chasing this elusive investor was not the best utilisation of my time, and I must applaud CRV on this initative.

    Questions:
    1. What is the duration of this note?
    2. Do these investments close faster than a traditional venture round?
  • keanu zhang · 3 years ago
    I like this idea and i think it can be called innovation in VC industry. and this model can differentiate real foresighted VCs from VC teams.
  • Brian Berliner · 3 years ago
    I'm a big fan of the formalization of the seed program now known as CRV QuickStart. It's all bout the dealflow. Read:

    http://www.brianberliner.com/2006/11/01/crv-qui...

    For more. Enjoy!

    -Brian
  • Startups.in/India · 3 years ago
    I'd not want to sound stupid but I'm assuming that CRV would only be looking at ideas with a working model/prototype. Is my assumption correct?
    or..would they even be entertaining just the ideas..brilliant ones of course :)
  • Krish · 3 years ago
    This sounds more like reinventing the wheel. Some of you should remember - the VC model started with something like this and it failed since most of the funded companies wound up and the founders went bust. The loan turned bad and had to be written off by the lenders. In a typical internet startup, what collateral can a lender look for except a few leased PCs and some ready-to-flee employees at the first sign of trouble...? History repeats.
  • Dave Lavinsky · 3 years ago
    This is a great idea. Traditionally, it has been very difficult for VCs to differentiate themselves from each other, and this certainly does the trick.

    CRV should see a major influx of new concepts and business plans. Most importantly, it should see new ideas/ventures well before its VC competitors.

    This also reminds me a bit of Grameen Bank. Grameen Bank founder Muhammad Yunus recently won the Nobel Peace Prize. Grameen Bank specializes in microcredit or very small business loans (average of $200). Since 1976, Grameen Bank has made approximately $5.7 billion in loans to more than 6.6 million people in India, mostly poor people who were shunned by traditional banks. The repayment rate is an astounding 98 percent.

    Hopefully CRV will have similar success with this great concept!
  • acohen832 · 3 years ago
    This seems like an interesting concept. Often, small companies don't have the resources or expertise to find the right type of funding that they need, especially during the beginning stages.
  • Mark · 3 years ago
    Finally - a seed program that does not take advantage of startups.

    Check out Utah Investors - http://www.connect-utah.com/article.asp?r=1318&... or Junto Partners - 30% of the company, 50k debt and your left leg

    Good luck! I am very excited to see where this goes.
  • Eric Jackson · 3 years ago
    It will be interesting to watch other large VCs and how they react over the coming months. I believe many will follow CRV's lead. Of course some will do a little of this on the side and some will be more focused.

    There appears to be a larger trend at work here in this new low start-up cost and low capital needs world, which will lead to winners and losers:

    Winners:

    - The bluest of "blue-chip" VCs. The Sequoias and KPCBs of the world shine brighter when the maddening crowd is rushing to chase the latest trend of VC investing. They've been there and done that time-and-again.
    - Existing Angel Investors who have a track-record. When a space gets hot (i.e., angel investing), those who have been there for a while are the old wise men. Josh Kopelman, Jeff Clavier, and others will see a rise for their services even as others rush in. There will be a flight to quality.
    - Traditional VCs who are able to make the leap and really differentiate from other angel investors. Although CRV is a great firm, their success is not guaranteed. They need dealflow; their GPs needs to be seen as credible by non-nascent entrepreneurs; and they really need to be able to deliver value to their investments (beyond the simple "we love to roll up our shirtsleeves alongside our investee companies" platitudes).

    Losers:

    - Stuck-in-the-middle VCs: Those VCs who do a little bit of angel investing and a little bit of traditional are likely to do neither well.
    - Former Great VCs who don't adapt to changing times: Remember when Softbank was king of the hill? Hot VCs who have yet to reach the echelon of Sequoia and KPCB are not assured of long-term success. They are also likely to stick-to-what-they-(think-they-)know-best. Dangerous, when the rules of the game are changing
    - Later-stage/Mezzanine Investors: They just got even less relevant.

    Thanks,

    Eric
    http://breakoutperformance.blogspot.com/2006/11...
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  • Santosh · 2 years ago
    Has any other venture firm responded to this move by launching similar program?
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