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Facebook is actually the opposite of "a little young" (especially in the company of Twitter and Friendfeed). Also, Facebook apps are like the blogosphere... some of them are top quality (see: VentureBeat, for example), and others are "Me Too" garbage that probably oughtn't be taking up hard-drive space anywhere (see: most other blogs, with a handful of exceptions). Fact remains, Facebook created the platform, not the application... the platform is king and sometimes the applications are awesome... most of the time they suck, just like blogs... but the platform is justified by the value-adding, top-quality apps. You can not blame Facebook for your bad chicken experience... blame your stupid "friend" who thought it appropriate to send a flipping Super Chicken to you, of all people. I don't even know you and already I can ascertain that sending you something called a "Super Chicken" is a baaaad idea.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
--From Hamlet (III, ii, 239)
Queen Gertrude speaks these famous words to her son, Prince Hamlet, while watching a play at court. Gertrude does not realize that Hamlet has staged this play to trap her and her new husband, King Claudius, whom Hamlet suspects of having murdered his father. She also does not realize that the lady who "doth protest too much" is actually herself, as the Player King and Queen represent King Hamlet and Queen Gertrude. The former will be poisoned (in this play within the play) by the king's brother, as in reality (Hamlet suspects) Claudius killed King Hamlet. Gertrude's statement is in response to the play-Queen's repetitive statements of loyalty to and love of her first husband.
"HEH "
half laugh, semi-cynical connotation, used on IRC by those too cool to say lol or roflmao
--From 'Up In Smoke'
Tommy Chong speaks these famous words to cult icon, Cheech, while they smoke a contraband cigarette containing dog feces. Cheech had not realized (until that point) that excrement was involved. Hilarity ensues.
http://marshalsandler.com/2009/02/facebook-and-... you created some my kind of content and at 72 years old I have read a lot even my blog has a mission statement
MarshalSandler.com is a playground of ideas, introductions, and synergies. Marshal exhibits a blogging style that is less about tamping out his thoughts and more about the juggling, rearranging, juxtaposing, and syndicating of the content of other people and companies - a communications cubism of sorts. There’s no room for crap, but there is plenty of room for friendly people with interesting ideas. Marshal’s day is the search for new technologies, new ideas, new relationships, and new things to curse happily about. So, participate. Cut bait
I do think that facebook has the most chance of staying around for the simple reason that those you add as friends are people you have met and studied with, worked with and more. As a result loyalty is higher than for the random followers you have on twitter.
Friendfeed is far smoother and intuitive to use than friendfeed, and whilst more noisy is easier to manage. Personally, as a European my interest in twitter has dropped.
Now I don't see twitter as anything more than a glorified chatroom.
That's why so few people use jaiku and identi.ca, because there is little engagement by the supposed audience.
http://venturebeat.com/2008/07/16/twitter-made-...
The problem is when you move to another country, Switzerland for example. Here you have about 1500 users spread across the whole of the country, you have a diversity of professionals. A result of this is how hard it is to get people to meet as a group. People don't see the social media and twitter as a good way of spending their time yet. It may change but it may take two years or more at this rate.
It's a matter of time, in Europe twitter users need to be patient, attempt to encourage more people to use it.
For a start everyone is worried about productivity now. The vast majority of people come to twitter for less than twenty minutes a day, answer a few messages and disappear. They no longer stick around for those 30 person 200 tweet conversations anymore as a result of which the community has been weakened.
I say this having been both to the earliest tweetups as well as the latest. At the early tweet ups you spend weeks and months making friends with specific users and getting to meet them in person was a great adventure. Now people sign up to twitter with less than 30 posts and go to the tweetup. The result is that it's a lot more strangers than when twitter was younger.
That's de-valued twitter as a social network, especially in Europe. If you're in London then twitter is perfect. Move to almost any other city around Europe though and twitter is a frustrating experience, exacerbated by the new generation of users that are only just finding their feet.
That's part of the reason I am taking ten days away from twitter. If after those ten days I come back and feel the same frustration as I have recently then twitter is dead to me, as an individual and that's what counts. I'm sick of putting so much time and effort into something no one honestly believes in. To use a site is one thing. For it to be part of your lifestyle though, more is required.
Now we see a third change. as more and more celebrities come to the web and the fans come to listen, but not yet participate. More and more people are trying to sell what they're doing rather than engage with the individuals.
I went back to some video of the first London meetup and when asked how many people they were following people went as low as to say they're following just 20 people. Now people who have been on twitter for a month and a half have three thousand. That would lead us to believe that twitter is no longer about giving your status to a select group of strangers. Now it's marketing to the masses.
That's part of the reason I moved to plurk a few months ago and to Friendfeed more recently, to get back that sense of community, and engagement.
In one of Fred's comments in that post he says "I've said so many times that "this service kills this other service" meme is mostly bullshit. Most deaths are self inflicted. And twitter has certainly tried to kill itself more than once. But I'm not buying into the idea that facebook and twitter are the same experience."
Right said Fred!
http://venturebeat.com/2008/05/24/the-only-thin...
Probably worth noting though that while Fred is an investor in Twitter, I am not :)
Korzybski's work held a view that human beings are limited in what they know by (1) the structure of their nervous systems, and (2) the structure of their languages. Human beings cannot experience the world directly, but only through their "abstractions" (nonverbal impressions or "gleanings" derived from the nervous system, and verbal indicators expressed and derived from language). Sometimes our perceptions and our languages actually mislead us as to the "facts" with which we must deal. Our understanding of what is going on sometimes lacks similarity of structure with what is actually going on. He stressed training in awareness of abstracting, using techniques that he had derived from his study of mathematics and science. He called this awareness, this goal of his system, "consciousness of abstracting." His system included modifying the way we approach the world, e.g., with an attitude of "I don't know; let's see," to better discover or reflect its realities as shown by modern science. One of these techniques involved becoming inwardly and outwardly quiet, an experience that he called, "silence on the objective levels."
Great post,
best r.
L.
/backhanded compliment
Maybe I'm just lazy, but I'm going to continue posting to Facebook through my twitter feed. I don't have the time to do both quite frankly. Recently, I think I am getting way more value out of Twitter than Facebook.
Make it MUCH more apparent to new users where the power is in Twitter use -- not to mention perhaps bundling all the useful stuff together up front so people can get effective quicker -- and things would be a whole stack different.
That said, I am against mixing friends and work, so I will probably forever use Facebook AND Twitter. Friendfeed I also use, but it takes all its updates from Twitter...
Ian Hendry
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If Spielberg can't get funding for his movies, who is going to fund free services?
MG has found out you can see Rod Stewart’s house from his parent’s.
That works. It's just a matter of rephrasing stuff to start with your name, and that makes a lot of sense considering the number of random messages that could appear in your News Feed otherwise.
Ill let you know that im trusted :)
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