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VentureBeat: Facebook awarded $873 million in suit against spammer

  • jeff · 1 year ago
    default judgments are "real" judgments. the court must provide an inquest to establish damages even if there is no opposition. if you are worried about damages, don't send out billions of pieces of spam, the way this guy did. my guess is that there was strict liability for something like a buck for each spam that contained some dishonest statement.
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    Look at section 41 of the complaint
    http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-c...

    Facebook themeselves don't seem to comply with what they were complaining about.

    CAN SPAM affects legitimate businesses, and not just "spammers" - in fact a huge proportion of "spam" is legally CAN SPAM compliant.

    The original filing had 5 complaints - the first one was in relation to CAN SPAM - whether CAN SPAM applies to messaging on social networks and messaging systems is a big deal, especially if the social networks provide no provision to comply.
    e.g. Try including a full mailing address in a tweet.. plus your message
  • Eric Eldon · 1 year ago
    AndyBeard, my understanding is that spam on social networks has been interpreted to fall under CAN SPAM -- first with the MySpace ruling and now with Facebook's.
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    Myspace was also a default judgement

    Here is another example, Disqus

    Disqus are a great service and when I get back to blogging again I need to do a writeup on all the progress they have made.

    However if this is a ruling that can affect case law in the future, then when you replied to my comment I received an email from a commercial blog, thus it might be interpretted as a commercial email.

    The is no physical mailing address in the email
    The preferences seem to be only global, so if I want to stop receiving email notifications from this post, or Venturebeat as a whole, I can't
    I have to log in to change my preferences

    Also of note for Facebook specifically, it might be might harder to defend against a class action based upon CAN SPAM the next time enough users get upset about zombie notifications.

    How about blogs on Blogger and their relatively new comment notifications - often hit with spam even from the few Google blogs that have open comments.

    This is why I would be horrified if this is looked on as a "real" citable judgement, as it opens up a can of worms.
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    I am not a lawyer, and US law is sometimes (at least for me) a confusing enigma, or at least the way it is portrayed.

    It is my understanding that this was a default judgement, which seems to be just a way for the courts to tie up assets, with the total set high enough to tie up everything possible.

    I would be horrified if this was a "real" judgement, as CAN-SPAM in relationship to social network communication is very much untested water.

    Just a few examples...

    1. Facebook just forced me to log into my account to change mail preferences
    2. What is the real material difference between phishing, and asking people for their Gmail password to scrape their contacts to send out viral invites?
    3. Emails from Facebook have no address details at all
    4. If Facebook claim that the defendants didn't provide a one click opt-out mechanism, yet they were using Facebook, then does that mean there is a prooblem with the Facebook interface? Is a wall post a "message" where every user has to have a chance to opt out from viewing wall posts of that user (the poster)?

    Extrapolate it out further, and how does this have an effect on blog comment spam that ends up in the email box of subscribers. Who is then liable?
  • HammerTyme · 1 year ago
    LOL, thats purdy funny now aint it.

    http://www.privacy.es.tc
  • brian · 1 year ago
    I have never heard anything as crazy as this...!

    can any one tell me how this actually works???
    http://www.livbit.com
  • Dan S. · 1 year ago
    Is this spam in an article about spam? Hilarious...
  • jian · 1 year ago
    hahahaha
  • SoLinkable · 1 year ago
    It always bothered me that spammers always have such awful grammar. I'm not sure why, maybe its just a pet-peeve or something... It's just always bugged me. It honestly seems like every spam message has at least one instance of a comma not being followed by a space. ugh...
  • Eric Eldon · 1 year ago
    SoLinkable, I think I know why: Spammers have no incentive to provide quality content.

    If we make even a small typo, our readers will give us a hard time about it. Spammers, well, yeah....
  • DDayDawg · 1 year ago
    The reason spammers can't spell well is that they aren't very bright. Smart people don't go into this line of work. It's the same reason criminals are usually complete idiots instead of the evil geniuses we see in movies.

    Another reason is that many of them are not from the US and English is not their first language. But I think the fact that they are idiots is the main reason. I am reading a book (Daemon) where nearly a thousand spammers all over the world were killed on the same day. It made me smile.
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  • Eric Eldon · 1 year ago
    hahaha!
  • chandan · 1 year ago
    end of spam :)
  • kenny · 1 year ago
    Spam will always live :)
  • Erik · 12 months ago
    LOL, thats purdy funny now aint it...
  • Albert · 6 months ago
    Spam will always be a thing that can't be stopped, like how every majority has a minority that will try to rule against the rules. Criminals and spam goes hand and hand, and with search engine's algorithm and such that involves spamming to getting to the top results, it is no surprise that webmasters are willing to go so far into spamming.

    Albert
    http://www.mooladays.com
  • newsmarked · 4 months ago
    Man that is a lot of money
  • john_boesky · 3 months ago
    end of spam? not likely. the spammers already know they are doing something criminal so how would a judgement scare them.

    http://www.johnboesky.com
  • Jay @ work at home · 3 months ago
    That's pretty big for a spam case. Wow! That's pretty BIG!
  • Mike @ Online Surveys · 2 months ago
    FB could share money it will get from this lawsuit for read all the spam FB users got :)
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  • Andrew · 2 months ago
    Wasn't the Myspace judgement overturned?
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  • Ryan · 2 weeks ago
    Great article Eric, I had never heard about the Myspace case, as well as the Facebook one. I wonder how much money they were both earning before the plug was finally pulled.:D
  • Dave · 3 days ago
    Thankyou Eric this is an interesting story. Sooner or later his luck would run out.