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Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

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Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

John Mullinax — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:20:57 -0000

It's nice to see Salesforce opening more interoperability options, but let's not confuse ourselves here: Microsoft's Windows Azure platform became the instant leader in interoperability and "openness of cloud" when it was announed a couple weeks back.

Windows Azure will interoperate with virtually anything -- on premise or in off, including any other cloud that talks http, which I think is all of them. In fact, that's part of the point of what Microsoft calls "software-plus-services". Take the best of the cloud and the best of on-premise software (including all kinds of edge devices), enable new experiences, and give people choices and flexibility about where different bits should run. Choices that can be changed as circumtances change.

Microsoft did this, in part, by embracing web standards and even multiple design time development platforms in a way that other cloud vendors don't match -- which probably surprised a few folks. Shows the impact Ray Ozzie is having at Microsoft.

Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

Hanu Kommalapati — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:30:51 -0000

One has to differentiate between application portability (design time) and runtime interoperability. Every cloud is proprietary in nature to some extent from the application portability perspective. Once you go with a service provider like Salesforce, Google, Amazon or Microsoft, you are locked into a Cloud platform. This is similar to SAP, Orcale and Microsoft business applications on-premise. In order for the design time portability to be a reality, lot of work needs to be done in the standards so that if you don't like a service provider, you can extract your package of data and application and take it somewhere else. I am not sure if that will happen any time soon. Even Mr. Benioff admits that it is still a weakness with Salfesforce platform.
If you look at the runtime interoperability, it is the critical success factor to the very survival of any cloud platform. Considering the heterogeneity of the cloud consumers, run time interoperability limitations will only be detrimental to the provider and am sure even Microsoft is aware of that. Azure Services platform seems to be more comprehensive set of platform capabilities that can seamlessly interoperate with either on-premise systems or in-the-cloud systems. Who can argue with the runtime interoperability of REST and SOAP based layer surrounding Azure platform. For the foreseeable future, we have to live with on-premise systems be it Microsoft or otherwise. Whoever offers a comprehensive platform that will take into account the pure cloud based interoperability combined with organic coexistence of the on-premise systems, will make the transition painless and should be your friend!
So, Microsoft doesn’t have everyone as Mr. Benioff suggests; they love everyone by offering the most flexible and extensible cloud platform that can interoperate with other cloud and on-premise systems through web services. Azure offers broad language and development tool choices (VB, C#, Java, Ruby, PHP, Python, Ecliplise, ...) than Salesforce.
if Mr. Benioff suggests that Salesforce is more open than Microsoft Azure Services platform, he is merely trying to pull the wool over everybody’s eyes.

Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

Anthony Ha — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:18:10 -0000

I thought it was pretty interesting too; I'll be including a link in tonight's news roundup.

Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

Jason Seifer — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:47:08 -0000

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Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

Anthony Ha — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:06:34 -0000

Well, as I note in the post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. And of course Benioff really meant "We're willing to work with anybody, even Microsoft." Not sure if that's true, but that's the message he was trying to get across.

Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

Anthony Ha — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:05:04 -0000

Gee, you make it sound like "makes for a good headline" is a bad thing! But I agree with your point about Salesforce.

Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

Channel Sales — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:47:38 -0000

Oh please! Why on earth is Benioff dragging Microsoft into this? If he really was all about love surely it wouldn't be necessary to slag off Microsoft to make his point?

Re: Salesforce.com on Microsoft: “They hate everybody”

Ian Gilyeat — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:05:30 -0000

Love vs. hate makes for a good headline and perhaps it creates a useful image for Benioff but the simple fact that they have put so much emphasis on opening up their core CRM platform for other developers to add functions is a great strategy no matter how you label it.